after thirty days are they yours to keep by law?

I sure wouldn't bet on that one! Different areas will have different limitations for possession equating to ownership. In this case, the materials were picked up on behalf of the client. Ownership does not apply because I assume she did not have to purchase them. She was simply acting as an agent. If you abandoned your car in my driveway one set of rules would apply as to when it would become mine. If I picked it up for you after repair you had prepaid for and put it in my driveway for you to pick up 'at your convenience' a whole different set of rules would apply. The client either voluntarily or involuntarily was responsible for getting the lighters out of circulation. The real service involved here was getting defective merchandise out of circulation. This Lisa has done. The threat of putting them back into circulation puts the company and client on notice that absent payment, the merchandise has not sufficiently been recalled.

In a very real and moral sense, Lisa is due payment just for having gotten the product out of circulation. The refusal to allow report entry until the product has been returned is only a bureaucratic piece of safeguard garbage to make certain Lisa is not lying about having gotten the product out of circulation. The failure to provide shipping instructions is bureaucratic dodging of their obligations to pay her for her services. Whether this is deliberate or stupidity is a matter of opinion

While manufacturers or select distributors may be allowed to ship hazardous materials, one of the byproducts of 9/11 is that private individuals can not. That is nothing new. If Certified thought any differently, they did not do their homework. My understanding is that sometimes hazardous materials can be returned to the manufacturer or select distributors with an RMA on a pre-paid label basis. Certified is not such a manufacturer or distributor. If they contracted under the assumption that shoppers could just whisk the stuff into a box, slap a label on it and ship, making payment for shipping at the counter, the error is theirs. That they now require shoppers de-gas the lighters is not appropriate without additional compensation for time, unless it was specified in the original directions as part of the original contract for service.

Obviously if she is deactivated, Lisa has no opportunity to complete the job and file the report. She was ready, willing and able to perform the job EXCEPT for the step of returning the lighters, which was a change to the original contract. She is due payment. Putting Certified on notice that due to deactivation, they have eliminated her ability to complete the assignment and thus she is returning product to the stores causes them headaches because now someone else will need to be hired to go to the stores and pick them up and deal with them. Meanwhile I would personally hope that Lisa does not actually put them back into circulation by returning them to the stores because if they are dangerous and defective, they should be out of circulation.

I'm not going to take them back to the store for that reason. I don't know why they were recalled, but for some reason they were recalled. I going to call them later to find out when I will be getting paid for my other assignments and to find out what to do with the lighters.

If they do not provide me with a way to return the lighters, I will probably report them to the BBB. I'm not sure if that will even do anything or matter, but meanwhile I am sitting here with a box full of recalled lighters pick up at their request and have no idea what to do with them.

I had two pick ups one was sent back to Zippo and the other turned into a 50 mile drive and the lighters were already picked up last month.

ouch

yeah they have sent me to emails since saying that i am to wait for further instructions...

cooldude581 Wrote:
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> ouch
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> yeah they have sent me to emails since saying that
> i am to wait for further instructions...


Yeah, I called the other day to ask about them and he said "still waiting".

I was deactived a couple days ago (due to asking another rep there if anyone really knew what was going on there) so I wondering if I will be notified when they do finally find a shipping company to get them.

Oh, and don't forget to mention that if you accept the job - find out what's involved and then cancel - you get deactivated!

What is with some of these companies? They don't bother to tell people things, and then wonder why they have problems with keeping good shoppers!

they paid me for them... told them the directions were confusing which they were and by golly those clips are a pain to get out.... im going to hold them for another week... take the caps off (easy part) and either toss them or take them to the range... who hoo...

At least they paid you. That's a step in the right direction. :-)

Lisa, did they pay YOU?

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> At least they paid you. That's a step in the
> right direction. :-)
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> Lisa, did they pay YOU?


Nope, not yet at least. I did get a payment from them about a week ago for the last six jobs I did for them before they deactivated me, but the lighters were not one of them.

one week and they go boom...

Well, at least they did pay you, Lisa. ;-)

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> Well, at least they did pay you, Lisa. ;-)


Yep, but still not for the lighters. Just for my other jobs. And for some reason they paid me $3 the other day. Not sure why though. When I called, no one else knew why either.

Good deal, since they didn't ask you to give it back! :-)

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> Good deal, since they didn't ask you to give it
> back! :-)


This is true.