I read the above posts and I paid little attention until the company jumped in to defend its honor, saying they wanted to address false rumors. What I think a company employee/owner sometimes doesn't realize is that the more argumentative and defensive their post, the more they call attention to what was said and the more they validate it. The company felt some very minor complaint was important enough to publically argue about, so they've now fanned a little smoke into a fire. In addition, it's my belief that a company representative who posts very argumentative and disparaging comments discourages shoppers from applying with the company. Just an observation from someone who never heard of Jellybean before and isn't likely to work for them.

Amen.

You're right, any company that would believe in taking care of the community first, that always pays their people on time, sets up a non-profit, and transport individuals in need of medical attention that have no transportation should never defend oneself. They should always let everyone lie about them and never say a word. What was I thinking?

Maybe I should stop transporting all these people, including the 1 & 2 year old I take to the clinic 6 days/week since Jellybean is so evil for defending its name.

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/30/2009 11:48AM by jellybeansvs.

jellybeans, you have illustrated my point. A couple of posts ago you said you were done with this tantrum. I made a neutral observation ... and you're back. The sarcasm, inflamatory language, and anger is coming from you, not the other posters. You are posting accusatory comments negatively magnifying everything that is not totally in agreement with you. You have turned what sounds like a mistake from someone who complained he was not paid (he didn't fill out an invoice?) - into a "lie" that you had to defend yourself against. After my comment, you've thrown up your right to defend yourself against lies (?) and told us once again about your community service, noting sarcastically it's been implied that you are "evil" for defending your name....and commented that maybe you should stop the community transportation. A company that "would believe in taking care of the community first, that always pays their people on time" should not need to defend itself.

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/30/2009 01:19PM by AustinMom.

"Maybe I should stop transporting all these people, including the 1 & 2 year old I take to the clinic 6 days/week since Jellybean is so evil for defending its name"

I'm sorry,I was pretty neutral on all this, but I fail to see what this statement has to do with your WAH business.

We all have our community service project we are involved in. That has nothing at all to do with our jobs, or businesses. For you to use your community service as an affirmation to your business practices makes me think "more smokescreens"

More like "Smoke and Mirrors". Look jelly beans. I think you have disgraced yourself and your company enough on this forum. Any further posting by you will do nothing but add to the fire. Just suck it up and leave.

kscronk512 Wrote:
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> I have to jump back in, I am a real person. I used
> my screen name that I use on many WAH forums for
> the exact reason, I knew I was going to get
> attacked for supporting JBS. I dont care, you can
> think what you want, however, I am a real person
> who reads these forums regularly and felt the need
> to jump in here. I work two WAH jobs and am very
> proud of both companies so anytime one is bashed,
> whether I am a poster or not, I usually register
> and defend them. God for bid. Geesh.
>
> You are correct, I most likely will never post
> again, not because I was "enlisted" to post on
> behalf of JBS, but more because I do not enjoy the
> attitude this thead/forum has towards other
> posters opinions.
>
> So farewell all, enjoy.

Strange how s/he claimed to have no agenda, but is posting
ads on BBS's and forums all over the country as kscronk512 (sometimes with Stephanie added but it doesn't say if she and Stephanie are the same or different people.) In the ads, she makes it look as though she and JB are one and the same.

To me, that shows a close enough affiliation that she does more than just "work" for him in the same manner that most of us "work" for MSC's we contract with. S/he is actively recruiting to get people on board; most of us would not do that for an MSC. Do a search on the web for the user name, and you will see what I mean.

You might also find her other "expertise" that she charges $36 an hour for. Now I have seen everything.

dee shops Wrote:
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> kscronk512 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I have to jump back in, I am a real person. I
> used
> > my screen name that I use on many WAH forums
> for
> > the exact reason, I knew I was going to get
> > attacked for supporting JBS. I dont care, you
> can
> > think what you want, however, I am a real
> person
> > who reads these forums regularly and felt the
> need
> > to jump in here. I work two WAH jobs and am
> very
> > proud of both companies so anytime one is
> bashed,
> > whether I am a poster or not, I usually
> register
> > and defend them. God for bid. Geesh.
> >
> > You are correct, I most likely will never post
> > again, not because I was "enlisted" to post on
> > behalf of JBS, but more because I do not enjoy
> the
> > attitude this thead/forum has towards other
> > posters opinions.
> >
> > So farewell all, enjoy.
>
> Strange how s/he claimed to have no agenda, but is
> posting
> ads on BBS's and forums all over the country as
> kscronk512 (sometimes with Stephanie added but it
> doesn't say if she and Stephanie are the same or
> different people.) In the ads, she makes it look
> as though she and JB are one and the same.
>
> To me, that shows a close enough affiliation that
> she does more than just "work" for him in the same
> manner that most of us "work" for MSC's we
> contract with. S/he is actively recruiting to get
> people on board; most of us would not do that for
> an MSC. Do a search on the web for the user name,
> and you will see what I mean.
>
> You might also find her other "expertise" that she
> charges $36 an hour for. Now I have seen
> everything.


kcronk is paid to be on these message boards and watch for feedbacks. Her position is a work at home position where she also places ads on various web sites each week. She works with a team of several people that do this.

I'm sure you'll have some comments about this next note as you seem to always have something to say..

I noticed that you did something that y'all attacked me here. If "Stephanie" wanted her name on here, wouldn't she have given it? You did exactly what I did, but it's ok for you to do it but not me? Why? You attacked me for mentioning Glenn's name but then you did the same thing by mentioning Stephanie's name.

Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 06/03/2009 09:47PM by jellybeansvs.

We have no confidentiality agreement with kcronk.

I did not say she was Stephanie, nor address her as Stephanie. I said, "(sometimes with Stephanie added but it doesn't say if she and Stephanie are the same or different people.)"

My point, however, is that as someone recruiting for your firm, she is not an objective bystander, but is paid to do this. That is hardly the same as someone participating in a forum without ties to the firm.

She doesn't recruit, she places ads as I have stated, just to clarify. We have a seperate person that does our recruiting.

Flash, in terms of the confidentiality agreement, unless you know what the exact wording is of someone's agreement, how can you make assumptions of what it says? Ours simply states that rate of pay, training information, and type of record collected is not to be shared with other companies. That's all it says. It's one page. I wrote it myself with the advice of our attorney so I know exactly what it says.

Dee shops, thank you for clarifying that, it does make sense when explained that way.

I have not read your confidentiality agreement indeed and I am unlikely to at any point in the future. If you have nothing in your agreement to protect your contractor's information then there is especially little reason for a contractor to agree to it, so perhaps gcarterh was unwise to sign on with your firm.

Jellybeans, I think you misunderstood what Flash was saying.

IMO, she was saying that while you as a business owner may have offered gcarterh confidentiality (and if not, then he was crazy to sign on the dotted line, IMHO..) you broke that by using his name publicly, and with enough info between your post and his that ostensibly someone could identify him.

On the other hand, in commenting on your comment to me about kscronk512, I think that what she was saying was that since none of us have signed any agreements with that individual, s/he is not entitled to NOT having his/her information revealed (though it really was not, until you misunderstood my post and somewhat confirmed that kscronk512 is, in effect, Stephanie.)



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/05/2009 10:18AM by dee shops.

Wow! I do not lurk or frequent this site, but I could not help but register so I could respond to this thread. I am anxious about the fact that I found a review of Jellybean Services on the WAH webpage, filled out the application THEN checked for reviews. I gave all of the my personal information, including SSN on the application. This is the second review I have read for Jellybean. The first one was from ripoffreport.com, which claims Jellybean Service's BBB rating is fake. Then, I started reading this thread! All I can think is OMG, I sent all of my personal information to these people!

Kagc Wrote:
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> Wow! I do not lurk or frequent this site, but I
> could not help but register so I could respond to
> this thread. I am anxious about the fact that I
> found a review of Jellybean Services on the WAH
> webpage, filled out the application THEN checked
> for reviews. I gave all of the my personal
> information, including SSN on the application.
> This is the second review I have read for
> Jellybean. The first one was from
> ripoffreport.com, which claims Jellybean Service's
> BBB rating is fake. Then, I started reading this
> thread! All I can think is OMG, I sent all of my
> personal information to these people!

Sorry to burst your bubble. There is no spot on the application for a SSN.
The BBB rating, we were once accredited by the BBB. It wasn't for contractor purposes, it was because there is a magazine company in Chicago that was using the same name as us, scamming them. HOWEVER, as you read in that complaint, why would a company purposely say they are accredited, AND have a link back to the BBB profile? The website simply hadn't been updated.

After my own personal experiences with the BBB, I don't stand by their ratings any longer. The BBB takes the side of companies that are accredited by them, they don't actively protect customers. I had a dispute with a company that stole a bunch of money that was accredited and refused to give me a refund on services NOT provided, and the BBB ruled in their favor. I decided right then and there I was no longer going to support the BBB.

You'll notice that while this forum has loads of people bashing companies, there is no other forum that bashes JBS. Every company is going to have its disgruntled ex-workers. JBS has always paid its people when invoicing was done properly. JBS answers their telephone most of the time when someone calls. JBS doesn't word their ads to make it sound like competitors charge money in order to tempt people to sign up with us. JBS does not charge "late fees" if someone is a day late on their records. If something comes up for a researcher, they are not penalized.

As for that Rip off report, we know who that is. It's a fake report that was written by someone that provided over 2,000 records to JBS. When we refused to pay them for the fake records, they claimed we were committing fraud. That person basically made a list of names, and just typed in random information. We called the courthouse to verify the information after a client complaint. Not a single record existed. That guy has made several fake "reviews" about JBS. I handle the sales and all clients, we've never even had an inquiry by that guy or from anyone in that part of his state.

That same guy also has burned EVERY other court research company out there that he's provided his "records" to. He buys data from websites, changes some information, and provides it to "clients" underbidding any of the legit court research companies. It's people like him that detour people from using court researchers, leaving legit companies stuck with clients that don't want to pay a decent price for records so that we can offer a fair rate to researchers.

He uses multiple names online, but we've figured out a way to know whether it's him or not by certain things that I cannot mention so he won't figure out if he were to read this.