I just wanted to see if his picture matched his Grindr profile.

Glen, if you were really trying to become a PI as you said initially, then you would know better than to provide your full name, city, state and nearby towns, and your email address. No PI would ever publish that much personal information publicly. Tell me about Penn Foster.

that's bull crap best be reading the threads closely

David. Couldn't this ALL have been avoided had you just explained preceded to him, in context to, probably anything from what I can tell?

I am thinking just to drop this whole site it is not worth my time or efforts I could get better answers from a pimple on my ass

This whole discussion the very definition of trolling, but I'll bite...

@@#$%&, you stated, "My personal purpose is to continue to learn, explore, and make use of Jacob's teachings. He is a published author and he has a unique mission in this site and others."

From that, I can can infer that you have very little understanding of Jacob's mission., or who writes the material.

I don't doubt that you are learning and exploring....and making use of Jacob's resources. Just not in the way it was intended.

yes i studied the privet investagation feild from them and grad from there with an (A) ave but i see that ipiu has more to offer me as well.

Just when I was going to compliment you on correct spelling and some capitalization. I'm guessing the ability to spell private investigator is not a prerequisite to actually being a private investigator?

It's Dave faking a Glen after too much to drink.

Steve, I do believe that David intends on using Jacob's resources alright. And I am positive it's not in a good way.

I'm saying RIP to Dave and Glen right now. Glen has decided to consult a pimple on his ass and maybe Dave will be called in for a second opinion. I need to ghost them because they're draining me of energy.

man for some good resources in this forum it has not been of the best experience for a bunch of self proclaimed professionals you should be willing to help new combers but you just tear them down by no means would i call that professionals manners.

My daughter just read all of this and the threads leading up to this and told me this is all a ploy to bring more attention to the forum over the long weekend. I was pretty freaked out by that but, since the news practices the same ploys, I don't want to participate anymore and will think heavily about my participation. That my nuts post can be removed but that someone can pretend to be an active partner of this forum and NOT be removed is definitely something to think about.

Why should the person be removed?

We do not know how they participate in this large industry.



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Pretending to be obtuse does not suit you well, shop-et-al. However, if you truly are so naive, then I have some beachfront property in Arizona for sale, are you interested?

@JASFLALMT wrote:

Pretending to be obtuse does not suit you well, shop-et-al. However, if you truly are so naive, then I have some beachfront property in Arizona for sale, are you interested?

Regarding @#$%& and Glen Fuller and this forum: There have been investigations, accusations, and-- possibly, libel and slander-- emanating from certain posters on this forum.

There has not been evidence or proof of wrongdoing. Any formal charges or extralegal measures are not my business. They are Jacob's business.

In this country, peope are innocent until proved guilty in legal and extralegal matters-- according to some people.

I am one of those people.



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The court of public opinion does not adhere to the same legal standard as the court of law.

I'm curious. Just why should we be willing to help all newcomers? And why should our willingness, or lack thereof, to donate our time be an indicator of our professionalism?

@Glen Fuller wrote:

man for some good resources in this forum it has not been of the best experience for a bunch of self proclaimed professionals you should be willing to help new combers but you just tear them down by no means would i call that professionals manners.

@Hoju wrote:

The court of public opinion does not adhere to the same legal standard as the court of law.

I am a member of the public. And for me, it does. This is why the current effort within this forum to brainwash and/or strong-arm and establish a prevailing view and subsequent actions has failed with me.

And even though I am not a lawyer, I wonder whether people have some legal liability for the nature and content of their individual participation in the so-called public arena. Is the court of public opinion immune to laws of land, state, ethics, and karma? Can we really get away with hiding behind inside the virtual cloak of the court of public opinion?

This is my next research subject. It will be conducted elsewhere (not at this forum). I will find out if my own actions can pass muster legally or extra-legally.



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@Shop-et-al wrote:

There has not been evidence or proof of wrongdoing.

Actually, it appears there has been evidence of wrongdoing...per Jacob's post.

A quick look at the site these supposed two individuals came from will also shed some light on the nature of the intent, and how deep this particular charade goes. Its design is clearly to solicit money from people who want to be PI's, provide a back-chanel to getting a license and supply website templates for the members to appear more professional than they may be.

In cases like this where we really have no chance of viewing actual evidence, there's no reasonable way to apply legal precedent and no need to, so I tend to follow Occam's razor; I find it highly unbelievable that these two characters who demonstrate extreme examples from differing sides of a spectrum have been interacting for more than a year. I find it extremely unlikely that someone claiming to be administration for a such an organization and promoting the rental of website domains is not making a profit from the venture in some way. I find it near unbelievable that Jacob is incorrect about the IP addresses of the posts and that these posts come from two separate individuals in two separate locations.

I do, however, find it extremely likely that one individual in an attempt to earn money from a shady online business could use this forum to help establish themselves as a professional entity, create two log-ins for characters that have already been invented and demonstrated to be effective on the other shady forum, and troll the users of this community. I would go as far saying it's clearly the MOST LIKELY scenario!

In civil cases the standard is not beyond a reasonable doubt, it's a preponderance of the evidence. Meaning the evidence shows it is more likely than not. In this case I believe the evidence shows it is more likely than not that this person is up to some shadyness.



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My current research project regards my own behavior. Try to keep up.

So far, this is what seems to be true. Foghorn Leghorn is acceptable, or not, according to personal preference. He's a toon. It's a toon? Whatever. Can't do much about that.

I have more things to look into now. This will take awhile...

I have no idea what that post means. Do you always have to talk in circles and vagueness?

I don't remember @Shop-et-al ever being this hard to understand and cryptic all the time. Is this a recent thing? It's very off-putting.

Being direct invites a direct response. Vagueness provides an excuse when confronted as one can claim they said or meant something entirely different.

Or perhaps people do it because they somehow think it makes them sound clever or deep.



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Speaking as Foghorn Leghorn does little more than severely limit ones credibility.

@Hoju wrote:

Speaking as Foghorn Leghorn does little more than severely limit ones credibility.

Are we in danger of nearing a political post here?

@SteveSoCal wrote:

@Hoju wrote:

Speaking as Foghorn Leghorn does little more than severely limit ones credibility.

Are we in danger of nearing a political post here?

This was my toned down version of this response!

Oy Harry



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