@SteveSoCal wrote:
I'm going to assume that number includes time at the hotel/resort. When I can, if I'm just doing a single hotel, I don't work when I'm there at all (except for taking notes, performing the required tasks, etc.). I do all of the writing and reporting after departure to separate the payoff from the work.
My reports generally take between 10-25 hours for a hotel, which includes taking food breaks. If I'm getting a few thousand dollars of value back for the stay, that's worth it to me.
@saacman5033 wrote:
Would sure enhance the enjoyment of the experience if I could trust my note-taking and memory to be good 2 or 3 days after checkin.
@CaliGirl925 wrote:
Are you sure you're not an accountant?
@Tarantado wrote:
@CaliGirl925 wrote:
Thanks @SteveSoCal and @bgriffin!
I'm surprised to learn that only reimbursed expenses can be considered an "official expense". I guess I'll take a closer look (pun unintended) at the reimbursement amounts to make sure I only take ones where I'm sure I'll be fully reimbursed, or where the reimbursement amount is generous enough to make any overage worth not being able to claim it.
Great info, thanks again!
Forgive my ignorance as I'll get clarification from my accountant on this later, but is it 'wrong' to cancel out my reasonable overage from the reimbursement with the shop fee, then count the 'net' shop fee as how much I made on the shop?
In other words, I get two gallons of premium gas (required for my vehicle) and end up being $2 over the reimbursement limit, say the shop fee was $10. Would it be reasonable to say my reportable income for this shop would be $8?
@myst4au wrote:
you can not "cancel out" so-called "overages" with your fees to result in less income. On the Schedule C therre is a place for revenue (think of that as the fees you receive for performing a shop). There is another place for Expenses. Expenses are costs which are mandatory. You are required to buy $6 of gas and get a full reimbursement at $3 per gallon or $6, plus a $5 fee for performing the shop. IMHO, the best way to treat this case is to enter $11 as Revenue and $6 as Expenses. Of course, you can deduct mileage associate with the shop, and that eventually gets deducted as an expense at $0.575 per mile.
@myst4au wrote:
you can not "cancel out" so-called "overages" with your fees to result in less income. On the Schedule C therre is a place for revenue (think of that as the fees you receive for performing a shop). There is another place for Expenses. Expenses are costs which are mandatory. You are required to buy $6 of gas and get a full reimbursement at $3 per gallon or $6, plus a $5 fee for performing the shop. IMHO, the best way to treat this case is to enter $11 as Revenue and $6 as Expenses. Of course, you can deduct mileage associate with the shop, and that eventually gets deducted as an expense at $0.575 per mile.
Now, let assume that you buy 4 gallons of gas. Only 2 gallons is an expense. The other 2 gallons never appears on your income tax except indirectly as part of the mileage deduction.
Now, let assume that you are REQUIRED to go into the convenience store and make a purchase for $1 and get a receipt. The MSC says that they will not reimburse the $1. The $1 is entered on your Income Tax as an expense because it was a required business expense.
Now a "gray" area. You are REQUIRED to go into the convenience store and make a purchase for $1 and get a receipt. The MSC says that they WILL reimburse the $1. You look around, and the least expensive items cost $1.19. The $1 is entered on your Income Tax as an expense because it was a required business expense, and the $1 reimbursement is entered as revenue. The gray area is the left-over $0.19 and dealing with that depends upon your ability to convince the IRS that it was a required business expenses if you get audited. Your ability to convince the IRS that there were no items available at less cost (regardless of their attractiveness to you) diminishes as the amount of money you spend goes up. I would not want to try to justify a $5 purchase. I am willing to try to justify my excess $0.19 on the $1.19 purchase.
To address your question directly,
" I get two gallons of premium gas (required for my vehicle) and end up being $2 over the reimbursement limit, say the shop fee was $10. Would it be reasonable to say my reportable income for this shop would be $8?"
I hope you now understand that the answer is no. IF they say that they will reimburse you for up to 2 gallons of gas up to a limit of $6 and you were only able to buy 1.75 gallons of gas (because you bought the premium grade), then no one forced you to buy more than 1.75 gallons of gas. Any of the extra gas that you bought and which was used doing mystery shopping will eventually be included in the $0.575 per mile rate.
If you had huge amounts of reimbursed gasoline, then the IRS might allege that you are not entitled to the full $0.575 per mile because you never paid for gas, but I doubt that anyone gets reimbursed for enough gas (compared to the total amount purchased in a year) to raise this issue.
@SteveSoCal wrote:
I'm not an accountant, but as I understand it; The reimbursement is reimbursement so it doesn't count as income. The $10 fee is your reported income and from that you deduct the other $2 as a required expense, plus potentially your milage in performing the assignment. It's a sticky area with gas shops because the milage should include the cost of gas, however....
@CaliGirl925; To make an expense official, it has to be required, and not reimbursed. As in the example above. If a $5 purchase is required and you are given $3 in reimbursement, then you have a $2 expense you can deduct. The $3 purchase and reimbursement is a wash.
@CoffeeQueen wrote:
One of the biggest benefits is never talked about in terms of pay. That benefit is freedom. I get to work as much or as little as I want. I get to say no to jobs I don't want to do for any amount of money. Or jobs that I don't think pay me enough. I'm the final say in what I do in any given day.
Priceless.
@SR802 wrote:
Schedule C first you put your gross receipts including reimbursements and you deduct on the form your reimbursed expenses.
@SteveSoCal wrote:
@SR802 wrote:
Schedule C first you put your gross receipts including reimbursements and you deduct on the form your reimbursed expenses.
Everyone has to make their own decision about how to handle reporting of their income for tax purposes, but there is pretty clear language in the tax code that says if you are reimbursed under an "Accountable plan" (i.e. directly reimbursed for required expenses in exchange for providing a receipt), the employer should not report those amounts as income and you should not attempt to claim a deduction for it. I think it's pretty safe to assume that's why the MSCs don't include the reimbursements in the tax forms they send out.
If gets more messy when you have overages, or combines fees & reimbursements, and I can see a case for combining all of it when you have a $15 paid to you with potentially $5-10 profit, but in my case, I'm receiving over $30k annually in reimbursements and receiving only a small fraction of that as taxable income. It doesn't make sense for me to include all reimbursements as income and then deduct all of it back out.
@SteveSoCal wrote:
@SR802 wrote:
Schedule C first you put your gross receipts including reimbursements and you deduct on the form your reimbursed expenses.
Everyone has to make their own decision about how to handle reporting of their income for tax purposes, but there is pretty clear language in the tax code that says if you are reimbursed under an "Accountable plan" (i.e. directly reimbursed for required expenses in exchange for providing a receipt), the employer should not report those amounts as income and you should not attempt to claim a deduction for it. I think it's pretty safe to assume that's why the MSCs don't include the reimbursements in the tax forms they send out.
If gets more messy when you have overages, or combines fees & reimbursements, and I can see a case for combining all of it when you have a $15 paid to you with potentially $5-10 profit, but in my case, I'm receiving over $30k annually in reimbursements and receiving only a small fraction of that as taxable income. It doesn't make sense for me to include all reimbursements as income and then deduct all of it back out.
@Piled Hip Deep, PHD wrote:
This whole thread is much ado about a tragedy we call the income tax. It is so complicated there is no solution or agreement on the many practices to prepare reporting of income.
It may be better to live a life of crime. Criminals can not report their income because to do so would violate their 5th amendment rights to be protected from self incrimination. You can unintentionally become a criminal if you let a person who took a short course in tax preparation prepare your taxes. They professed to know and were capable of applying all applicable 10,000 plus amendments to the tax code after only a few short hours of learning how to prepare your taxes. You are responsible when you sign the form even though you admitted you have no idea what you are doing. If you knew what you were doing you would have prepared the tax forms yourself.
You could not call the IRS for help. Many citizens were unable to get through to those who could help because the IRS was underfunded.
There is a simple solution. The states have used it for decades. They tax income when it is spent. The federal government has rarely been known to make things simple. The states allow a taxpayer to go to the store and spend their money. When they do the merchant figures the tax and it appears on the sales slip. No questions asked about how the income was acquired or how many dependents you have or if you are a legal alien or citizen, you pay the tax or the sale is not made. Even if you have a political agenda about how that money is spent the merchant will charge you the tax.
It does not matter what you do. I was randomly audited. It cost a lot of time and money to prepare for the audit. The IRS gave me a refund because if it is ambiguous I do not take the deduction. It is cheaper and less stressful if you just lose the deduction. The IRS does not apologize and does not pay the cost of preparing for the audit. It cost me more than the amount they refunded therefore I was penalized without cause. The IRS will still have a job auditing businesses who collect the sales tax and their suppliers for checks and balances.
@SR802 wrote:
So, you do not write off your car, your internet, your mobile phone, your computer??